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i hear that the second race will be held on this trail,if any,what changes are happening to the trail to make it longer,will we be starting from the tower again?:confused: :confused:
I think maybe it would be a good idea to use the start from the first race as it joins onto the old DH and also has that nice root in the way to cause complications!!!
Fish did mention some changes but i'm not sure what these are, i would think just sorting the berms out, making the odd new jump and things like that!
If you have any ideas as to what needs doing im sure if you mention them they will be taken into consideration!
i think the first berm needs tarting up a bit but the second berm feels good as it is quite sandy and offers loads of grip,maybe we could put in a backside landing after the log jump so its easier to maintain your speed that you collect around the bermed sections..........i have ridden this trail quite alot and it always feels fast and flowy,i dont think it needs that much doing to it....maybe extend the trail a bit at the end after the big jump,but saying that it gets quite wet on that section..........:cool:
I think it needs some more 'Testing' obstacles in it, at the minute its pretty much just flow, which dont get me wrong i really enjoy, but to be a good race track it needs to have something to test most!
atm its whoever can pedal the fastest ;) hmm not really a DH track with 2 berms and 2 jumps imo
atm its whoever can pedal the fastest ;) hmm not really a DH track with 2 berms and 2 jumps imo
Agreed ;)
so whats the plan hannibal:?....its going to be difficult to add more obstecles because the track is so twisty and tight,maybe instead of going over the log jump we could divert the track and add something at that part...any thoughts people?
Scrolled past Norco Boy's Post with BIG HIP JUMP in mind and there it is in Rob's post! Good thinking :D
Rick Brown
29-10-07, 18:40
think fast guys because we dont have a lot of time to build before the next race and we then need the man power to build it.So lets have some more ideas
Maybe just get a few reasonable sized doubles where there is a bit of speed, say like a 15 - 20 foot gap and a 3 or 4 foot tall take off, these or this will give a nice pump of speed too out of the transition so all works fun :D?
I think we could really do with some decently sized doubles up the hill to get us used to them as when we get to such tracks as Caersws Tunnel track the doubles on there look outrageous! So will make it fun and good to watch in the race and also get us more skills? We already have a good hip too so not much need for another just yet?
Maybe just get a few reasonable sized doubles where there is a bit of speed, say like a 15 - 20 foot gap and a 3 or 4 foot tall take off, these or this will give a nice pump of speed too out of the transition so all works fun :D?
I think we could really do with some decently sized doubles up the hill to get us used to them as when we get to such tracks as Caersws Tunnel track the doubles on there look outrageous! So will make it fun and good to watch in the race and also get us more skills? We already have a good hip too so not much need for another just yet?
Agreed.....
Nice doubles also make nice photos :P
right at the end of the trail there is a perfect place for 2 - 3 nice doubles :D
Just get a digger up there and we will be sorted;)
i think just before the little double which is there at the moment could be a good place too as there is a small dip in the hill for some speed.....? I think it could be manageable with man power on doubles, we have a few weekends left and if we have a few people up there each day i'd say it'd be a jump a weekend!
2 jumps more......nice :/
and the rest of the trail?
Rick Brown
29-10-07, 20:29
How about some nice big switch backs as you go down the hill on that side
and I mean BIG to really power through it to give you the speed to hit big gap jumps and I thought a funky log cattle grid 10ft long or more with the logs half buried instead of rocks so as you land the trans you go straight over it :cool: ( just picture it ):cool: :cool: could be a bit dodgy and challenging
your thoughts please
I like the cattle grid although i dont know where you mean to put the switch backs?
i dont know where you mean to put the switch backs?
near the top :D as for big doubles the Fc arn't very keen :( clearly we need to have a site meeting......this sunday :D
fingers crossed then!!!:confused:the cattle grid rick sounds sorted,lets do it!!
Will try get up on sunday then!
Not keen on having the switch backs at the top if it means having to compromise the nice quick multiple dippy droppy things! Unless hmmm......... Maybe if we switched about between the dips making the berms like the switch backs on Hamsterley i.e. you lose the height in the turn and not on the straight, would make them interesting and a bit more complicated!
How about making 1 or maybe all of them flat switch backs and not bermed!!!? Would be great fun?
carrerabiker
31-10-07, 13:49
how about a couple of small wallride/burn things like after the crater drop in some tight corners to get like a slingshot effect out of the corner
we aren't allowed northshore (walls) on that side of the hill unfortunately :(
That aint where were on about carrera Biker, we are talking about the first track that drops down on the left hand side of the hill.
Rick Brown
31-10-07, 19:25
I was up there tonight and I had a look at the old school track. I think -forget about where it runs now and look to the right just after the 1st drop There's a spot for a nice big jump onto a trans about 15ft, stick in a burm (large) to keep taking you right, the ground runs along with natural whoopsies and banks to a point well past that fallen tree and then we could bring it into the old school bottom section between the tree where Zakk fell off and then over that double, which we can make bigger/ longer. I will rake a rough course out where I mean on Sat so you can have a look (mr fish ). Just an idea. :confused: :confused:
I think elliminating the other drops/dips would ruin/rule out the old school dh really, there are some really nice features in that section and the tight 90 degree berm after the last dip really gets you thinking of braking points and acceleration out of the turn etc.....
I think we should just keep the main track as it is all ready well compacted which will really help as if we were to cut out a new track it could/would be rather squashy still. It also doesnt really need much doing to it to give it some real good race potential, and a good sprint track will always be a good thing, we have 2 quite tech race tracks lined up, TTT - Round 1 and the Mini Bringewood - Round 3 i think so we should have some variation?
i agree with baker,maybe we should just tweak the track and pop in another jump at the bottom........as for the rest of the trail,its already cut in and used, it would be a shame to loosen it up as its compacted really nice.......we have two tech trails,why not have one thats fast,whoopie,flowy..:D :D :D
hmm...
To be honest, there is not much point in discussing it over the internet without been there and actually looking at and riding what we have.
I just think there needs to be someway off getting back up the hill slightly (without having to bust a lung pedaling) after the steep section, I have an idea in mind. But like Baker said if we start making new tracks its going to be really soft. Lets just see what we come up with this weekend ;)
carrerabiker
01-11-07, 13:34
i agree with tom and i DO know where were talking about
Rick Brown
01-11-07, 15:20
I dont really care so Bollo**s to you all :filthy: ;)
god it was just an idea:?
Ill make my own track and you lot can't ride it
hahahaha good one dad ;)
Can I ride it? :p
If i help Rick can i ride it too? :P please? :P
I dont really care so Bollo**s to you all :filthy: ;)
god it was just an idea:?
Ill make my own track and you lot can't ride it
Ideas are good and on a forum are to discuss and sometimes rule out Richard XD
I dont think that the track is as lung busting as the TTT either, will be a very close difference race and will have everyone trying to get the track dialed to get those vital 100ths of seconds!
i agree with Tom,and that until we have a site meeting on sunday to agree the changes..if any ;) there should be no new trails cut (sorry Rick ;) ) as i think it would be unfair on the other club members seeing as there's such wildly differing opinions :D
Rick Brown
01-11-07, 21:25
hahahaha good one dad ;)
Can I ride it? :p
of course you can baby ;) , ok and you Rob but not that Baker or Norco dude:fu:
Tut tut tut, no need to get selfish rick :D
Hmm getting a bit off topic now, anyone any more thoughts for the race track? Like to add in on the current line?
Hatchleader
01-11-07, 21:37
not so much a change as a keep! i love the bit after the log jump weaving through trees!! blinking awsome!!
maybe a bit more of that?????
not so much a change as a keep! i love the bit after the log jump weaving through trees!! blinking awsome!!
maybe a bit more of that?????
Hmm....when was the last time you rode the hill? :/
We could have an open stretch though the cow field pinning it towards the road then a huggee road gap over the main road then a nice long straight though too Walesby woods with the finish line somewhere near Caistor ?
meh just an idea....
Hahaha, i like it!
I was thinking whether we would be able to get permission to use the field below the hill as it has some hill left on it and also it isnt forestry land so we would be able to have a Caersws 30 foot double to flat out pedal on gras and cow pats to finish? would be great if possible!? Would this work with the owners fish?
O yes guys, we'll just stop the main road for a couple of hours when we race...
Hold on!... What about tunnel Caersws style?? Under the road?? and then mayb qiuck sprint and end up at gypos on grimsby and then finish there?? :p
just an idea ;)
Na i dont mean crossing the road, there is a field bellow the hill! It has the rampant cows in it? I think fish has the owners on his side for the whole downhilling thing in the woods, they were even happy to help when the ambu-copter had to land in their field.
So what i was thinking is we could ask for permission to use the field and build a jump and berm or so in it and this wouldnt be on forestry land so the forestry rules on doubles would not stand. Would also extend the track and provide a good final viewing/finishing area! We would probably have to cut out a bit of the end of the track although i'm sure it would be worth it!
Would this be at all possible fish?
A bit of an example :D
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q240/BakerDh/couldbepossible.jpg
click on it, it will make it bigger so you can read it :D
Hatchleader
02-11-07, 20:39
its a pretty complex idea as the chances of the land owner just saying ok are gonna be slim!! theres such a big problem with people being after compensation for trippng over things this sort of stuff is feared alot by land owners! would probably take months of negatiation and ass kissing to be allowed to do it... and this is assuming the farmer doesn't already have plans for the field??
It would only be the one day, or weekend with the jump and berm being built on the saturday and in the week before. As i have said the land owners approve of the club already so this helps a lot. I guess i will speek to fish on sunday and see what he thinks!
Baker, i always think its a good thing to think big,but i don't think this time your plan will work, first the field is flat-ish at that point, same as in the woods ;) also the field has had cows in it since i first rode there (6yrs) so this means its full of hoof divets and cow pats also its seems to be a bit boggy, and although the owners are cool with the project, its a working farm and their trying to make money so i'm not sure whether they would be into it ;) lots of work for not much gain......good effort though mate :D
Ok no worries, thanks for checking it out anyhow!
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